I started to notice when it would

happen at certain times of the

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month, pretty regularly . Um, I knew

that it was connected to my cycle.

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He didn't, 'cause he had no idea what

was going on, but he knew it was just

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random acts of violence to him, . Exactly.

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It was what, what's wrong with you today?

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Is this worth the fight?

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What is going on?

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You had several years, or at least

a year of severe, like almost 10.

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Outta 10 pain.

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You said within days it's almost nothing.

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Yes.

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How is that possible?

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I found out what was causing my problems.

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I addressed the problem

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Welcome to Transform with Dr.

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Maggie Yu Podcast, where

education meets results.

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I'm Dr.

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Maggie Yu, your guide with nearly

three decades of experience

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in root cause medicine.

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Here, we dive deeper into the root

causes of chronic disease through

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interviews, case studies, and trainings.

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Hey everybody, welcome to

today's interview with Pam.

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Pam is a teacher educator who, uh,

has been struggling with Ray nodes,

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which a lot of you don't even know.

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It's autoimmune, and your doctors

also don't know this, and it evolved

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and turned into rheumatoid arthritis,

and she was really concerned about

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this having a severe impact upon her

ability to work out and have healthy

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relationships with people around her.

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With her severity of her symptoms and

she struggled massively with food.

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Okay.

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And food clarity.

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And she was fighting her rheumatologist

who felt like food made no difference.

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I'm Meg, U M D, functional and Holistic

Medicine and owner of Transform,

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and we have an online program called

Transform Autoimmune Disease Naturally.

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And we also have a hormone balancing

program called My Hormone Masterclass.

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I hope you enjoy this interview, and

this is Pam and this is her journey.

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To her RA and Reno's turnaround.

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Alright, Pam, let's introduce yourself.

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Hi, uh, my name is Pam.

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Um, I was of a few years ago

diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis.

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Well, it started with the renos.

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Um, I noticed there was some circulation

issues, um, and then probably . Within

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a year or so, I started developing

swelling and inflammation and joint pain.

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Mm-hmm.

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Um, Most of it started in my hands

and then slowly moved to other joints.

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You know, a lot of people, Pam, don't know

that Ray nodes is actually autoimmune.

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And if we even describe what Ray

nodes is, it's actually extreme

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pain in tips of the fingers or toes.

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Mm-hmm.

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and your to fingers and tips and toes

may even turn blue or pale white.

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And it's extremely painful.

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It's made a lot worse by cold,

obviously, but can happen at any time.

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And that is autoimmune.

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And yet a lot of doctors

don't even know that.

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And to me it sounds like this preceded

your actual rheumatoid arthritis

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diagnosis by quite a bit of time.

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Right.

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How severe was your rain notes?

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It's worse, obviously

in the colder months.

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Yeah.

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Um, anything will trigger it.

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That's cold.

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Yeah.

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Um, so severe.

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And then what about joint pain?

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At what level would you say your joint

pain has been prior to this program?

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Some days a 10.

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Okay.

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Um, it would come and go

depending on the day, depending

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on what I was doing sometimes.

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Um, , but there were days that I

couldn't move, I would just be in tears

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because I just couldn't move my hands.

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Mm-hmm.

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, um, you know, some days were

better than others, but it got

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to the point where it was bad.

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Have you been able to work while trying

to deal with these severe symptoms?

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I have.

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Um, it's been difficult.

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Mm-hmm.

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, um, I'm a teacher, so writing

on the board, erasing the board.

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right.

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Pulling the marker off of the,

or the cap off the marker.

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Um, not easy.

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What were some of the other symptoms

that you dealt with that you felt

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like was seriously life altering?

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Um, fatigue.

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The fatigue was some days just unbearable.

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I'd come home from work.

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I mean, I have full days, I have busy

days, so I just feel like I was just

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running myself ragged when I didn't

really feel like I was doing that

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much, but I was just constantly going.

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But the minute I would stop, I would

just crash and there was no, you know,

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I'd be in bed early and, I mean, I'd

go to bed early anyway, but there

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would be nights I couldn't stay awake.

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Mm-hmm.

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Watch the evening news . You know,

you know, when you're dealing with

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a lot of those symptoms, a lot of

people don't think about immunity

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as having all these different

targets and affecting everything.

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Not just your fingertips, not

just your joints, but really

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overall sense of fatigue.

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How did it impact upon your mental health

and your general sense of identity?

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It, it was almost like . Demoralizing

because I've always been an active

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person to start to feel like there

were things I just couldn't do

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because I didn't have the energy.

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Mm-hmm.

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, um, things that I'd have to cut back on

because I just, I just couldn't do them.

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And I had no idea that at the time

that it was connected to that mm-hmm.

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Um, and of course then that starts

causing other, you know, you start

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to worry about other things and.

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You know, your mind starts going

into places where you're like, what?

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What's going on?

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What is happening?

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And not even understanding

that it was connected.

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I also heard the boyfriend said there

was a little bit of irritability,

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Yeah.

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Um, I, as I started to notice when it

would happen at certain times of the

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month, pretty regularly , um, I knew

. that it was connected to my cycle.

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He didn't, 'cause he had no idea what

was going on, but he knew it was just

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random acts of violence to him, . Exactly.

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It was what, what's wrong with you today?

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Is this worth the fight?

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What is going on?

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And he just, he knew that things were

starting to, but he didn't, he, he had

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no clue why, like to him, he wasn't

seeing what I was going through.

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So you're just two months in here.

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Right.

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And my question is, where are

you now with these symptoms?

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Almost non-existent . Um, my pain has

improved immensely, and once I started

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realizing specifically where the pain

was coming from, what was causing

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it, within a matter of days, you had

several years, or at least a year of

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severe, like almost 10 outta 10 pain.

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You said within days is almost nothing.

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Yes.

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How is that possible?

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I found out what was causing my problems.

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I addressed the problem.

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. What the hell was causing your problems?

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Just in inquiry, you guys wanna know?

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There was a couple of things.

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Um, hormone imbalances were definitely one

of them that hell yes, we working towards.

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Um, a big one was some of my foods.

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Mm-hmm.

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. Um, I've always had a suspicion, I

couldn't tell exactly what it was because

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I don't eat one thing, so . To figure

out the variables was very difficult.

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Mm-hmm.

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, I had some suspicions based on

things I was commonly eating.

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Yeah.

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But once I found out

Yep, that's what it is.

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How did you find out?

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People wanna know everybody's

on the elimination diet?

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Hell, . How did you find out?

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Uh, went through the food mapping

process, um, which seemed to be quite

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simple, . Um, and I was just amazed.

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Like, like I said, I had suspicions,

but I had no way of knowing.

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Nobody would . Talk to me about it.

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If I'd ask, I'd mentioned it to my

rheumatologist, like, I know there's

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an issue with my food and I, you

know, no, there's no connection.

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There's no connection.

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Where are you with, um, the

irritability, the fatigue?

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That's a slower process, but

it's definitely improved.

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My boyfriend has noticed . Um, he told me,

he said, I don't know what you're taking.

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I don't know what you're

doing, but keep doing it.

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'cause he's definitely

noticed a difference in my

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mood, in my demeanor, just.

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I'm happier, I feel better.

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I feel more positive.

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Wow.

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It's, it's huge.

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It's refreshing to know that . It's a

pretty simple process and a simple fix.

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It doesn't have to be like this wild

dolled land of the west, which is

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like, I feel like in conventional

medicine, all you do is they talk

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about medication or procedures, right?

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Yep.

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What I love is to bring the

medical science into this

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and say, here's your data.

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Here's the clarity of how you use

each of these natural tools based

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on your data, and it's not hard

once you understand the system.

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Right.

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, you are like simple.

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Yes, simple.

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Not really , right?

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But you gotta learn the system

and then it becomes simple, right?

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I'm, I'm not a doctor, but I'm trained

in biology, so I understand like

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there's a cause and effect to a lot

of things and there has to be some

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type of a reasoning behind things.

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It's that things don't

just spontaneously happen.

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So what you just said defies 99%

of how conventional doctors are

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trained because your rheumatologist

just told you that food has nothing

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to do with your pain or symptoms.

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Right.

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All right.

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Question.

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Um, what's your favorite part

of working with me and my team?

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I love the community.

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Mm.

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Um, it's not just one . Person

trying to figure out one thing.

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Um, you get to work with a whole

bunch of other people that are

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going through similar things.

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You kind of get to see some of their

issues that you don't think apply to

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you, but realize, oh, hey, that, that

could be my problem too, or, yeah, I had

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that question and didn't think about it.

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Just the interaction with

people, the positive community.

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That, to me was a huge

part that was beneficial.

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What was in the program itself?

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You said there's a lot of different

things that really worked.

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What do you think was your biggest

medical aha where you're like,

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Ooh, that was a game changer?

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The food mapping was

a game changer for me.

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Okay.

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Um, that to me, like I said, it's,

it's just one of those things that

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I knew was an issue and I had no way

of knowing how to even address it.

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So like that was huge for me.

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Why did you almost not join the program?

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Honestly, I knew it was a time commitment.

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Um, a lot of people that I'd seen go

through it, you know, they said, well,

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there's homework every week and there's

weekly meetings, and, you know, that

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made me nervous just because it was just

that hesitation of, can I really do this?

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Is it something I can

really make an effort?

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I, I know I needed to, I knew that

in the back of my mind, but there was

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just that hesitation of . You know,

how big of a commitment is this?

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Okay.

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And how did you make it work?

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Like was it as, was it as big

and hard as you thought to

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commit yourself in this way?

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No.

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No.

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It got to the point that once I

got invested in it, and once I

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started getting into the routine, I.

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It, it kind of almost consumed me in a

way where it's like, okay, what's my next

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piece of information I need to address?

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What's my next, next thing I gotta do?

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Well, it's kinda like, who the

hell doesn't wanna feel better in

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a couple days if within a couple

days of knowing your food, mapping

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data, your joint pain went away?

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Like it's almost like, what else is next?

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Right, right.

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It got to the point where I, I

wanted more because it was okay.

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I know.

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All right, I got that information.

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I understand that.

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Let's move on.

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And, and I wanted to do more and

it kept . It became something

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I wanted more of rather than

having to make it a commitment.

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I love that.

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What is something you learned about you

during this process that surprised you?

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I think the mindset piece,

which was a big part.

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Um, I've never, I mean, I guess

everybody has their own critic.

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I've never really thought I was negative

in any way, but I started realizing that.

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It's really easy to have a

negative mindset about Yeah.

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Anything.

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And that can totally spiral and you

don't even realize what it's doing.

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You know, I tell this story, Pam,

where I said, um, one of the things

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like, I think about like how focus

is power and also the language you

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choose, the words that you choose.

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Mm-hmm.

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to describe a talk actually

has a lot of power, right?

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I would wake up and each

morning I would say F M L.

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. You know what that means?

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Yep.

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Which is, you know, my life.

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And not realizing that that

is a very negative mindset.

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I'm also using words

that's cursing myself.

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If you think about that

in my life, and then what?

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And I'm focusing a lot of energy on that.

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Every single fricking morning,

first thought, last thought.

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Mm-hmm.

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. I mean, how powerful is that?

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And then think about what I was

manifesting more and more of.

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Right.

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Or crap.

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Right.

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So, totally.

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So what you're saying is changing how you

think really manifests different results.

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Absolutely.

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And I, that was something that I, I mean,

you know, that, you know, stay positive.

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You know, you hear those things all the

time and, but you never really understand.

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How it affects you until

you really address it.

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Yeah.

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And for me it's like

I call your ass on it.

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Mm-hmm.

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. . Yep.

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. We all call your ass on it.

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People in your pod will call

your ass on it and our mindset

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coach will call your ass on it.

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Another question I have is, what

is something that you can do

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today or right now effortlessly?

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I have always been somebody who works out.

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I would go to the gym religiously.

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Um, and as my rheumatoid arthritis

got worse, it got to the point

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where I couldn't pick up.

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A five pound weight.

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You know, I used to swing around

35 pound weights like nothing.

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You know, the men in the gym

would pick on me, call me Helga,

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whatever, like, I, whatever.

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But it got to the point where I just

could not do the simplest of things

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because I just, my grip was horrible.

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My, the weakness, the pain, and it just,

it got to the point where I'm trying to

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figure things out to modify things and.

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It just, it just got to the

point where I almost gave up.

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And so slowly I've been able to

get back into things and I have

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no problem picking up a lot of

things, . Um, I'm still working on it.

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I'm still gaining my

strength back, but, um, I.

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That's huge for me because I feel like

that's something that's part of my day.

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It helps me get started.

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It's just one of those

things that that's my time.

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That's for me, it was something

that was almost taken away from

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me that I am slowly getting back.

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Pam.

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That was part of your identity?

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Yeah.

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It was something that made you

feel like you were a healthy,

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vibrant person in spac.

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Exactly.

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I know you were saying that you were

worried being a busy professional,

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that you wouldn't have the time to be

able to commit to this program, and you

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were able to make the time to do that.

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In hindsight, right now, looking

back, like right now, who would

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you recommend this program for?

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Everybody . Um, I, I look at this and

I, I see friends that I have that have

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Not necessarily an autoimmune

disease, but symptoms of something

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or problems with something.

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And I'm just like, oh my God, you

have to know this information.

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You have to learn this information

because your problem will go away.

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And I feel like it's not just

for autoimmune disorders.

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It's actually not . It's not, I mean,

I just, there's so many things to

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address that are just simple everyday

things that we just brush off and think.

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Mm-hmm.

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, oh, it's just an ailment.

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It's no big deal.

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You know, that's how

things started for me.

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Like, oh, no big deal.

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My hands are cold, they're

turning white, whatever.

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Oh, I'm a little puffy.

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Maybe I had too much sodium.

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But no, like, there's so much

behind it that we don't realize

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because we, we ignore it.

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I know that when we improve our own

health and our own mental health,

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it really affects our relationships.

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And just think about the

relationships with maybe the top

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couple closest people to you.

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What do you think is one positive or

fun change that has happened because

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you freaking saved your own life here?

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Well, I've mentioned my boyfriend.

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Um, we are communicating better

because Im able to communicate better

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when I am feeling out of sorts.

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I know what the issues are and

I can say to him, You know,

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this isn't you, you know?

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Give me a minute.

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You know, we can, we

can work through this.

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It's not a problem.

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My mother . I would

put into that category.

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I feel like I can share more with her

about my ailments, about what's going on.

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She's, she understands I, you

know, she's somebody that I can

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say, Hey, this is what's going on.

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This is the issues, these are

the things that I'm addressing.

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Mm-hmm.

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, and, and she knows that because, you

know, I talk about the food and, well,

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I have an Italian mother, so, you know,

figure out the food there and, and it's

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everything I probably shouldn't have.

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And I showed her my results.

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I, I, I physically showed her what

my food mapping results were and she

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understood it because she saw it.

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Like she saw what my data

was, she saw what I had.

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So there was no question.

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It wasn't like, are you

sure you can't have that?

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Are you sure?

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How about just a little bit,

like the data's really powerful.

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Yeah, I was just gonna say, just being

able to talk to her and tell her those

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things, knowing that if she sees what

I'm seeing, she's gonna understand

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and she's gonna be supportive.

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I think one of the things we lose is

self-trust and self-confidence as we

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go through illness, for example, and

one of the things I love is teaching,

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being able to be in an educational

program where I'm actually teaching you

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exactly how to understand this data.

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What are false positive

is false negatives.

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How do you share this data

with other people around you?

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It's incredibly validating for you,

but it's also incredibly validating

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for other people in your life.

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To see that and understand the data

and your confidence is infectious.

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, right.

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If someone was hesitating to even

click the button to watch the

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our five pillars training, what

would you say to them right now?

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The person who's hesitating to like, click

the button to just watch our training.

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What would you say?

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Just do it.

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Just do it . Just do it.

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. Uh, there's nothing, you

have nothing to lose.

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Just do it.

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I knew just with the information

that I looked at, that . I

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know the data is accurate.

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I know that the information you talk

about, I know this is true because,

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well, you feel better, right?

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And I'm educated, I know that this is,

you know, a lot of people are hesitant

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and say, well, is it really work?

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Is it really true?

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Is it No, I, I, I know it does.

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Before I even got into this, because I.

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Like I said, I, I am, I know the

background, you know the background,

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and we have over a hundred videos

of interviews with people who've

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been through our programs, right?

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I mean, how many, how many programs

or how many doctors have over a

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hundred videos of people talking

about their own experience with it?

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Right.

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You were watching those videos two months

ago and now you are on a one , right?

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. I was too.

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Every day.

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What all?

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What's next?

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What's next?

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. I love it.

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Wow.

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Awesome.

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Well, Pam, thank you

so much for your time.

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This was an incredible share and

I'm really happy for your results.

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I.

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Thank you.

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I appreciate everything.

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Boy, that was a crazy good interview

from Pam and there were a couple

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things that I really liked that Pam

pointed out, which is she's somebody

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who is a educated professional.

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She's a teacher trained in the

sciences, and she said that she

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understood the scientific mechanisms

and results that we were talking.

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In our program.

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I am an MD after all with autoimmune

disease, but she said that the

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most impactful thing actually for

her and her family was knowing the

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data, the blood work results from

her food mapping and understanding

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how to understand the data properly.

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So that is key.

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It's a unique process we call

food mapping, and that is

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part of our program Transform

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All right.

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Thanks everybody.

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Thank you for joining us today.

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